There’s this thing called The Bechdel Test, orginially started by a feminist and cartoonist named Alison Bechdel. You can read more about it if you want, but essentially she made a comment on movies and how women are portrayed often as secondary or peripheral characters. To pass, a movie must pass the following criteria:
1. It has to have at least two women in it
2. Who talk to each other
3. About something besides a man
Guess which movies pass this test? Yup. All three Twilight Saga movies.
I totally get the feminist complaints against Twilight. They are not compelling enough for me, but I hear what they are saying. Why don’t other books get this kind of scrutiny? Is it because it’s marketed towards younger girls and some people get all, “think of the children”?
He sneaks into her room at night, which, sure, in real life, Ew. Stalker. Call the police, I don’t care how hot he is. I think everyone gets that, even the Impressionable Youth. (Note To Any Impressionable Men Reading This: seriously do not do this. In real life it’s creepy and also very illegal). The thing that makes all of it okay is the mutual feelings they have for each other. They are both completely undone by each other. They are crazy and unhealthy and over the moon and oh yeah, also it’s a fantasy. Stupid real life gets in the way of stuff like that, but in a book it can happen.
Bella doesn’t change for Edward. THAT would be way more weird and icky to me. But she is just herself; she is quiet and bookish and clumsy, and Edward loves her. More than loves her, he is epically transformed by her. He does, in a very real way, “change” her, but then that is a whole other classic film and literature idea that entire books are written about, many of which I had to read for a 300 level college course about Female Voice in Cinema, and let’s not get into all that just now. Suffice it to say that is a Thing That Happens in Stories A Lot.
One of the ickiest moments is when Edward takes her car engine apart so she can’t leave. Which is clearly abhorrent behavior, even if he is protecting her from werewolves. But here’s the thing: Bella calls him on it. Edward apologizes for the crazy behaviour, admits it was way overboard and pledges to not do anything like it again. One of the compelling things for me is the way they both change and grow with each other, and because of each other. Remember, Edward has no real experience with relationships; he is both a 17 year old boy and an eternal being who thought he was above it all in terms of love and sex. In short, he is wigging out a bit.
So, I see what some people are talking about, but I am just not buying it. And I don’t think teenagers are, either. Kids are way smarter than anybody gives them credit for, and often smarter than they act on the surface. They will glean what they will from the books and other media they consume, just like everyone else; mostly they will pick up on the things that they are interested in and that they relate to the most. The weirdness in the Twilight series mostly comes from supernatural situations and therefore does not relate to things the average person is likely to come up against. Unless your kid falls in love with a 100 year old man that sparkles. Then you will have to have some family talks, I guess.
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I agree 100%. Change isn't a bad thing if the person wants to change for their own reasons. In Breaking Dawn, Bella admits to herself how awkward she has felt in her own life and felt a sense of belonging for the first time in the Cullen family. Not just with Edward but with his siblings and 'parents' too.
People often cite Bella's changes, but what about Edward's? No one stands up for the man in that situation or even stops to consider what he goes through on her behalf. But poor defenseless women need someone to stand up for them, you know. /ends sarcasm.
Scarlett, you have nailed the essence of the story. I am also grateful to see someone who has used correct spelling and grammar, and not those nasty
"text" shortcuts!
That's probably because 3 and 3/4ths of the book is written from BELLA'S POINT OF VIEW. If this was Midnight Sun, that would be a valid argument but because it's written from Bella's POV, in first person nonetheless, Bella will be the focus of target groups.
y'know what's funny? I read this immediately after watching a whole pile of Zero Punctuation vids, so it's like Yahtzee Croshaw is reading it to me in my head XD
I like the way Tracitalynne puts it. It is clear and to the point. I agree with it.
Can I just say how awesome it is that Alison Bechdel is getting some mainstream recognition, even if it's only for a mere fraction of her work?
Silly. You are far from a dork!
Edward goes through a lot, which is more obvious in Midnight Sun, of course. It's funny when people accuse Edward of being this perfect being. New Moon may as well be subtitled: The Time Edward Screwed Up In The Biggest Possible Way.
So true! LOL Nice one!
Rather than see Stephanie Meyer finish "Midnight Sun" – I'd rather see her continue the story of Bella's new life as a vampire. She clearly has a very interesting future ahead, because she's already infiltrated the supernatural world (while still a human) and managed to bring peace and even reconciliation to a group of vampires and shape-shifters (who think they are werewolves). I want to see the rest of the story!
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For me, and for most twifans(I would guess), it would be the most exciting, intoxicating thing for her to do. I've read the parts of Midnight Sun she's posted, and I don't think it's half as good as Twilight from Bellas perspective. Sure, it's very interesting, it gives you a new insight on the vampire life, but it's not Bella.
I think that he may come across quite dominating, but in all reality she's got him wrapped around her fingers, he's a pushover when it comes to her and that's true, otherwise he would have stuck with his decision not to let her near Jacob. On top of that he's from a different time, a time when it was alright for men to be forceful and tell the woman what to do, he is in all rights a Middle class Victorian boy, simple as that, he's not going to change his whole upbringing and the beliefs because of one girl, as important as she may be.
Slow clap for you! Clap…Clap…Clap!!! Good point of view!
I love twilight and I think its an amazing love story created as a fantasy to make people believe it could happen and i think people are gettin ahead of themselves with the going on about him going in her room at night coz its a story and is meant to be creative and differnt and I like it i dnt get why people moan over it if you dnt like id sdnt watch it simple.
I would still love to see Midnight Sun finished. It is "his" story of how he felt when he first "smelled" her and wanted her in class. Why he left. How he decided he wanted to be around her.
Yes, he was possessive. A 17 year old boy from turn of the century America. The values were different then. Men were in charge and chivalrous. They took care of the women. He had no experience with women. I think he learned a lot by growing with Bella and she taught him a lot about the way things were now. Like now, people learn from their mistakes. It is a work of fiction (because we know there aren't vampires and werewolves), but the storyline is the same for the ages.
And the story is about first love and being chaste and making those choices. Remember that too.
you are so right, he IS creepy when hes stalking but everybody knows that it is so close to impossible to get yourselve or your children in to that situation with a vampire for crying out loud! Over-protevtive mothers are normally correct but there nothing wrong with this story except im not in it! joke. but really, get a grip.
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I agree with you. I wish Midnight Sun gets completed, after having read the draft I wish I could get the whole Edward's side of the story.
I agree about finishing Midnight Sun. I love the part when he proposes and tells her how he would have courted her in "his" day. I think that she warms up to the proposal because of this. I love that there is the compromise wetween them.
I love the whole story line and took everything with a grain of salt. I will admit that the 3rd book isnt my favorite for the very reason that Edward was just way to posessive and controling. I remember thinking at one point that if a guy treated me that way it would be the last thing he did. However you have to look at it in context. lets say you are a 100 year old vampire that knows just how very fragile humans are and you just so happen to fall in love with one of the clutsiest humans ever, you are probably going to be a little overbaring. Plus then in turns out that her best friend that not only wants to be more then just friends is also a werewolf, and your enemy by right. Again cause for a little crazieness. However as our writer points out Bella did call him on his BS and he chilled out to an extent after that.
I agree. I think the book is pretty radically feminist. To address the scenario in the top comment, about how Bella is incapable of picking herself up and moving on… I think this is a response to the fact that Edward has treated her like a child by making the decision to leave to "protect her" and Bella's response is appropriately analogous to real human responses when someone else makes a decision for us. It's not about how she's nothing with him or without a man in her life, it's about how we feel when someone undercuts our own autonomy. Edward doing that is NOT feminist, but her response is, and ultimately it's Edward that realizes the error of his ways when Bella fully demonstrates her own agency.
Furthermore, I think the whole book captures a crucial feminist issue, which is – how do men adjust to a woman who, like Bella, is capable of making her own decisions (ie, the modern feminist woman)? They clearly have difficulty (both Edward, Jacob, and Charlie), and they make some mistakes, but ultimately they realize that their lives are the better for allowing Bella control over her own life.
A book can be feminist in its outlook, even (maybe especially) if not all of the characters behave in a prescribed feminist way. In fact, its arguable that if the characters didn't clash over Bella's agency, it would do nothing worthwhile in terms of discussing the place of feminism in our lives.
Uh.. Who else as a teen had their heart broken and moped around for days/weeks/months. Maybe dated someone they knew was wrong just cause they were angry or trying to get back at their former beau. Its all part of growing up and learning about ourselves.
And the whole point of the 4th book is that Bella is an amazingly strong female. Her strength within herself protected her whole family. With out her they would have been slaughtered.
I am not sure why being a feminist is so fabulous anyways. If being a feminist means you cant be strong on the inside and give your partner your all then I dont want to be a feminist. BTW twifem none of what I wrote was ment to offend you. Its just how I see things.
Yes, there are women who do take their own self worth from other people, but I don't see Bella doing that. Her reaction is part of the whole "epic destiny" of the two of them, which is a fantasy in and of itself. Edward didn't fare too well during their separation, either. In fact, he says she at least got out of the house every once in a while.
Also, Twilight was never written as feminist literature, and should not be assessed as such. I am just discussing my own feelings and opinions as it relates to feminism as I understand it.
It honestly doesn't matter if it wasn't written solely as a feminist literature piece. This book was written from a female's point of view, which would sort of automatically qualify it for a feministic review. Not to mention, it was a female writer who wrote the book. It was ALWAYS probably going to be reviewed by feminists.
This book wasn't written for adults either. However, adults enjoy it. The books wasn't written for males either. However, you can find males who enjoy the books, too. This book wasn't written for a LOT of people who are passionate about it BUT it did attract them in and that's the main point.
I was against the series at first due to the fact that i am a christian, and the movie involved wherewolves and vampires. But there was a thread through out the series that to me was very touching. Love is a wonderful gift and no one young or old has ever mastered it. The commitment that they had in there hearts to one another spoke out, the fact that there were the older views of chasity was very important to me, our country has become ok with sexual sin. Call me old fashion or what ever, but i believe that our youth needed to know that waiting on marriage is right. And all the young people in the cast truly touched my heart. I know there is only one way for true immortality and that is through faith in Jesus Christ, and in order to be a part of Him, we must drink his blood and eat of his body, so the movie to me was a blessing, and a door opener to teach the younger generation, to actually use the movie as a tool.And all the cast God has put a love in my heart for them to pray for them. The movie was fiction not true, but God showed me a way to get value out of it. I appreciated the fact that there was no cursing or anything vulgar as well. So this is where i stand , thanks
i see what you are saying, but I think that kids can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. My mom used to freak out about stuff that ended up being a total non-issue.
I think it's great that women and girls can see clearly what they want from a relationship and feel empowered enough to ask for it. Who wants to settle for a fumbling oaf when you can have someone who feels comfortable expressing his feelings in a way that makes you feel loved? If we as females don't accept anything less, I think most men would step it up for us. (or maybe I just have an awesome husband. hee.)
I am not saying anyone should accept anything less then they deserve in a relationship I am just saying the standard that Bella and Edward set is not realistic. We real humans have real bumps in the road that we will have to deal with and will not have our psychic sister to forward us.
Never settle for an oaf but do not project an Edward on to an Oaf just cause that is what you are hoping for.
And after I read some of the comments these teens write on the FB twilight page I cannot in confidence say that they can infact tell the difference since they write to Rob and say "Edward I love you, Marry me" and things like that. LOL It makes me concerned for their frame of mind. Did you read the article where Rob said a girl went up to him and cut her arm for him to drink from… :-/
i have to say something on that . does anyone notice when a new movie or even nre band that comes out teenagers go crazy over them if they like it alot . think about it they are always saying will you marry me to them. and not just this movie , but other movies as well look at how many teenage girls fell in love with elvis , jonathon taylor thomas , justin beiber , i mean really . im sure there were some out there that did crazy things like this . i was head over hills in love with tim mcgraw for goodness sakes . said i was going to marry him and was mortified when he married faith hill . there is always going to be a movie star or even famous singer out there that is going to catch the attention in some young girls eye . but they grow out of it as they get older . its a fantasy and a fad . we have all gone through it . we all have a fantasy about one thing or the other . what is wrong to dream .
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It is, after all, a movie, a piece of entertainment! It undoubtedly mirrors feelings all pre-adolescent girls have had. It is doubtful that any girl will be less of a feminist from viewing this!
I read a bunch of these and honestly, you could argue this point FOREVER!! The thing that draws everyone-especially girls/women-to the books and movies is that Bella relates to ALL of them! Bella is a normal girl going through normal things…it just happens to be with supernatural costars in her life. Most girls can see parts of themselves or other people they know in her and so you see what you want to see in her behavior. Bella is strongest with her other half there (whether its Edward or Jacob) but let's not forget what brought her there…she was strong enough to say goodbye to her life and mom and move away for the sole purpose of making her mom happy!
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Well, it's not real because it's a story, okay. But how do you know this kind of love does not exist? I don't know. Maybe… Supernatural stuff aside, it's just about finding your own soulmate. It might sound naive to you but I want to believe in it. It's not wrong, it's called hope.
I mean, what is a "realistic" relationship? Is it dating someone tolerable because it's what everybody does? Marrying and having kids just because it's "normal"? You know what? Even in a "realistic" relationship you can end up heartbroken. Life is full of disappointment and love often hurts.
I say, we all deserve better than that. And to hell with the rest!
I am not saying there is no such thing as a deep love, My parents for one have it. It is a hard thing to find and you must work at it everyday though communication and compromise. And even that is few and far between. I will say to you never ever settle, that will just end in regret and heart ache. What I am saying is you are most likely not going to find this type of love as a teen when you dont even know who you really are yet. Edward is not a 17 year old boy he is a 100+ year old man who had seen the world, he is wise and controlled and is beyond wealthy. No teenage boy will ever ever live up to the standard Edward sets. They are just not mature enough.
Find out who you are, trust that one day the man who deserves you will come find you and you both will work together to make each other happy. And as you grow together you will have real life issues (not werewolves and volturi but money problems and family hardships) that will be difficult and as long as BOTH work together to get though it will be fine.
I agree with everyone, but despite how annoying I find Edward at times, I think we all have to remember that Edward has to compete against another man, and that other man being an enemy. Bella makes it quite clear, that wether Edward likes it or not, Jacob is here to stay. Poor Edward is constantly tortured about losing Bella to Jacob even though Bella tells him otherwise. She constantly forces him to be in a love triangle with her even to the point of poor Edward having to watch his girlfriend being "warmed up" in the tent scene by the man that is his rival. I'm team Jacob, but I take my hat off to Edward for loving and respecting Bella enough to allow her the freedom of loving another man besides himself. To me, expecting two men to get along when they both want you, is the epitomy of feminism.
I agree with you on the point that, for teenagers, this kind of relationship rarely, if ever exists. However, I disagree with you when you say it's not realistic even for adults. I know many adults who have found a "partnership" just like Bella & Edward's. I am one of them. My husband and I met in college over 40 years ago and we are as "obsessed" with each other as we were as young lovers. He is my true soulmate. True, our relationship has changed over the years, but we would do anything for each other as much now as back then.
Aside from the supernatural elements, the love stor is no more realistic than any romantic comedy out there. Men rarely act and give speeches the way they do in those movies too. Give teenage girls some credit, they are not morons. I went to see Romeo & Juliet (LeonardoDiCaprio version) whe i was 16, I loved it and balled my eyes out, but had no delusions about love after that.
Exactly- It IS a fantasy. Just like sci-fi movies/books.. Do people get "offended" or upset by the way they portray certain poeople in those? Kids are intelligent enough to realize everything you said.
I agree with you 100%, it would be a great continuation to the saga to have Bella, Edward and Renesme's life story, how they approach the real and the supernatural worlds they occupy as they skirt the fine line that often merges and then opposes again. I would like to see the other characters fleshed out as well, introduce the Volturi again in a different scenario, the possibilities are seemingly endless! Bravo for Stephanie if she should decide to return to the writing of the Twilight Saga.
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This has been similar to many of discussions about Twilight. Very eloquent and on point!
OMG…… kristen don't hide your real beauty you know your're better than that .
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hi there bella tell edward and jacob i said hi how are you i have not bin on the computter so i have not bin waching your vidos so bye.
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hi mom you are crazy bye…
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Its hard to find your true soulmate but when you do in a way you really have found your Edward. Thats how I think of it. Twilight is something but saying things like its gonna affect little kids. Well thats not completely true. If kids do watch it then they learn that in the end true love DOES conquer all.
I think most of it is true, but I wouldn't be too hard on the Twilight saga… as you same said; it's FANTASY… I think this saga is really good and the love Bella and Edward feel for each other is just as intense as the love of other famous couples in literature… I mean… look at Rome and Juliet… they were completely blinded by love and they barely knew each other. At least in Twilight Edward and Bella have fundamental reasons to love each other… they went through the normal (almost normal I should say) process of knowing each other before realizing they were madly in love. Plus as a teenager I can say that no matter what crap you read we teens are not as stupid to buy it all. I love the Twilight saga mainly because I like the narrative line and the character analysis, specially because the heroine is a woman and also because it involve a lot of love and action, but that doesn't mean I am waiting for a vampire sparkling boy to fall in love with me. I really think this saga deserve more credit than people actually give it, it's different and interesting not to mention well written.
i second ur thought on the teen thingy..!! realliee.. we ain't that dumb.. =)
Not to self, author of this article and persons who replied, "smarter" and "ain't" are not words.Check a dictionary. Hense, perhaps you are as dumb as you seem. You all also need to remember that since the genre of fantasy has emerged so to has the literary criticism called feminism. Feminists rip apart and critique anything from british chidren's literature such as Alice in Wonderland to 20th century literature such as Twilight. Although not realistic, as it was intended, there is no denying that Twilight has food for feminist thoughts. In general my only suggestion is to check a dictionary before replying to a post and stop the death of "real" writing for future generations who feel that writing in blogs and txt form are acceptable at the highschool and college level.
There isn't a word "hense", either. So shut your pie-hole.
actually the word 'hense' is a real word, i suggest you look in the dictionary for a definition and check your facts before making a statement like that. However to umustbekidding 'smarter' is a word and as for 'aint' whilst i agreed with you that it is not a 'real' word it is very much a part of the slang used widely by many people today and does not mean that those who use is are dumb. I also find it very unfair to label someone in this way when all you know of them is from a short passage written on this site that possibly just does not match with your own oppinions.
I love the Twighlight Saga and wish that people would try not to over analise everything its just a fictional book meant to entertain not to be completely true to life.
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Yeah, it's "hence", but let's not get negative here. I am also not going to respond too much to the "feminists rip things apart" because…ugh. this is not the place. I will just whistle and go to my happy place.
But I did want to respond to the teenagers: I know you are not stupid! I don't think people give kids enough credit. I know when I was a teenager people would freak out about everything, too.
And the best way to get a better vocabulary and learn to express yourself is *reading*, which clearly you are.
Yes, Kate. I'd like to second that… Third that, even.
Kate, you can't even spell "Twilight". You're not in the business of lecturing other people on how to spell
"Ain't " may be vernacular slang but it DOES appear in Webster. Look again… ><
Just a quick note to the above person/poster/blogger or whatever.
'Hense, perhaps you are as dumb as you seem.' I think in this instance you were using the slang of the older English word, 'Henceforth', in which case you will also need to check a dictionary ('smarter' and 'ain't' are both in there.) As to which one, take your pick. Both Webster's and the Oxford English Dictionary have entries that indicate otherwise. Now Chambers on the other hand, I'm not too sure about but, two out of three ain't bad (to use a quote from an old song by the rotund one – Meatloaf)
'You all also need to remember that since the genre of fantasy has emerged so to has the literary criticism called feminism.' (er, I think you'll find that you need two o's there, as in 'too'and a tad of punctuation wouldn't go amiss.) As for Feminism, I think you'll find in the annals of history, that it was a movement for the liberation of women, from the male dominated society of the times. For those that do not have the balls to critique literature as an individual and choose to hide under the mantle of 'Feminism', you not only demean yourselves but the whole movement and what it stood for. I believe you should read a book and enjoy it, not dissect it – unless you are in an educational establishment.
Ok guys, preaching over!!
(38 year old Mum of 3 and Twilight Saga Fan)
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Is there any thing that we can't complain about??? It's a story… Book vs Movie… Hello!!! Unless you're delusional, & Demented… It's not real life… It's a story…
agree with you on the point that, for teenagers, this kind of relationship rarely, if ever exists. However, I disagree with you when you say it's not realistic even for adults. I know many adults who have found a "partnership" just like Bella & Edward's. I am one of them. My husband and I met in college over 40 years ago and we are as "obsessed" with each other as we were as young lovers. He is my true soulmate. True, our relationship has changed over the years, but we would do anything for each other as much now as back then.
I like most fans love the Twilight saga and am hoping that she will publish the novel 'Midnight Sun.' While its no Twilight, it definitely gives tons of insight from Edward's point of view, based on what I have of it so far. The Twilight saga is fantasy, and as posted before me that has been established, but a fantastic love story no less. It is the modern day 'Romeo and Juliet.' While most women realize that there is no gorgeous sparkling vampire waiting around the corner for them, subconciously we all hope to find someone like Edward to fall in love with someday. I mean what women wouldn't.
I agree. People are making too much out of that particular part in the story. I'm of the opinion that if you don't the stuff then don't read or watch it. I mean seriously no one is forcing you to.
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Why do people insist on disecting everything? Why do they have to look for "hidden meanings"? Why can't people just enjoy a good book for what it is…a good book…a form of entertainment. I love Twighlight. It's very entertaining and that is what I want in a book or movie…not a message, or a warning or anything deep and dark. I want to be entertained and walk away feeling good. Twighlight does this for me…that is enough.
Lol, I so totally get what you are saying, coming from my mother diasecting a book would not be so supriseing, so would hunting for hidden meanings, ahhh but she is paranoid schitzophranic soooo um what does that tell ya. If you want a message from the book heres one , men love ur women with the power of life and death, instead of demanding their life or their death like so many abusive men do. Edward is the apitome of what a man should be in my eyes and being honorable to him would be something that would come naturally .
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i'm with you. that is soo true. just leave the book alone.
To those that say there is no difference between Romeo and Juliet and the Twilight series – you are wrong. Romeo and Juliet was a tradgedy. They both died, and didn't live forever. Sure – Edward and Bella are "dead" as well, but they get to enjoy eternity together. Very unlike Romeo and Juliet – who only wished and dreamed of that possibility…
Its just a fan fiction why are people so uptight about it .I love it it is well written and Stephanie Meyer is brilliant writer.I understand that people think its` bad .but only if people crossover into lalala and think it is real life.
to all those fan fiction writers i hav made a new site and i hope everybody will help it grow…. http://www.thetwilightsagafanfiction.webs.com
nos gusta mucho la saga pero queremos proponer que deberian hacer la peli del 5 libro porque no nos pueden dejar a los fans con preguntas formuladas sin responder
Andrea, I understand 100% what you are talking about.
Many people try to write off the confusion/delusional thoughts of Edward/Robert or Jacob/Taylor as it being typical teenage behavior when it's not. Posters and saying "you love them", mortified when you realize that they are not going to be your true love forever is PERFECTLY fine. We ALL went through that from Elvis to Bieber nowadays.
However, in the case of Twilight, that will never be the case. How does one teach their daughter that some themes in Twilight are unacceptable in real life when they lust for the guys THEMSELVES? We have 30, 40, 50, 60+ year old women saying that are saying things like "I adore what either guy did in xyz situation because my husband (sometimes their fathers) did the same thing"' as if some of the behavior is OKAY. Fantasy or not, we all don't have fantasy brains. We are real people with real emotions and I admit, we ALL are passionate about some side of the fence HOWEVER, at the end of the day we are REAL human beings with REAL problems. We don't met people, they are rich, their family is nice and we all get married and have a baby and it's happily ever after. Teenage pregnancy is through the roof in the United States, there is a such thing as teenage depression in which it could result in the death of a teen (I shudder to hear the day someone says "My daughter killed herself because she thought if she did what Bella did when Edward left, he would return and it wasn't a happy reunion for her; she took her own live"), money problems, not being on the same emotional level, not being on the same physical level, and the ultimate falling out of love with the other period. We have had people who were married for half centuries who simply divorce the other so I completely understand what you were saying and agree 100%.
This is why I will never think that Bella was strong throughout any of the books, including Breaking Dawn. Just because she gets turned into a 'strong' vampire doesn't mean that she's a strong female all of a sudden..
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